In this conversation, patient and patient advocate Terri Milton shares her 20-year experience with NASH, cirrhosis, HCC (hepatocellular carcinoma) and how related effects like hepatic encephalopathy and the issue of waiting for a liver transplant affect her life. Stephen Harrison laments that he was not Terri’s physician and describes the phenomenon of “peak and shriek” when a surgeon opens a patient’s midsection and finds previously unknown evidence of cirrhosis. Finally, Louise Campbell discusses the story of Keiron Dyer, a former English national team player currently awaiting a liver transplant for primary sclerosing cholangitis.